Posted January 03, 2014

Bob Stoops on criticism of SEC: ‘You can’t deny what we did last night’

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Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops and quarterback Trevor Knight sent the SEC a message on Thursday. (Streeter Lecka/Getty Images)

Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops and quarterback Trevor Knight beat Alabama on Thursday. (Streeter Lecka/Getty Images)

Bob Stoops certainly earned his right to say whatever he wants about the SEC after Oklahoma beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl on Thursday. The Sooners’ coach had received criticism back in May for his comments about the conference, which has won seven straight BCS championships.

Stoops called the SEC hype “propaganda” and said, “You can look at the top two, three, four, five, six teams, and you can look at the bottom six, seven, eight, whatever they are. How well are they doing?” Crimson Tide coach Nick Saban fired back at the time, saying, “I’ve got more important things to do than sit around and read what Bob Stoops has to say about anything.” Stoops took additional shots at the SEC throughout the year

Oklahoma backed Stoops up with a 45-31 defeat of Alabama on Thursday in New Orleans. Stoops appeared on Colin Cowherd’s show on ESPN Radio on Friday and couldn’t resist taking a few more shots at the SEC.

“When I made the comment, the bottom half of the SEC was like 0-36 against the top half of the SEC. You realize that? A year ago … nobody talks about that. My point was, don’t say SEC like they’re all doing that (beating everyone). One or two or three top teams … sure, you give them the credit. Alabama … I’ve got the utmost respect for them. Are you kidding me? How could you not? But in the end, don’t talk about the entire conference that way. It’s just not true.

“Hey, I’ve got total respect for Alabama, but you can’t deny what we did last night. Obviously, we can play with anybody, whether it’s the SEC or anyone else. And to say we can’t … well, Alabama’s been rolling the SEC for the last three years and we didn’t seem to be overwhelmed last night. I’m done with that talk.”

While college football at large isn’t really holding its breath that Stoops is truly “done with that talk,” can anyone argue with him right now? Walk the walk, talk the talk. Stoops’ full interview with Cowherd can be found here.

135 comments
mashley278
mashley278

Just so I get this straight - You say the SEC is a myth, then you beat an SEC and thump your chest about it? Ok.

6marK6
6marK6

Stoops wins a bowl game every ten years and the rest of us have to smell his farts for a decade. 

ianlinross
ianlinross

Thank you Bob Stoops and Oklahoma. 

zydeco1948
zydeco1948

Stoops cant help it. He worked with Steve Superior at FL and is appaerntly a clone...lol. Here at KY we dont have a good team, but we have a good coach. I think we got the class act of the Stoops clan. Bob is acting like what he is....a loser who has to crow on the few occasions when he wins.

terlilgnt
terlilgnt

Stoops seems to understand basic math that seems to elude the typical trailer park SEC fan. Total up all the records of the teams in a conference and no matter how "strong" they are, they're still only playing .500 ball. 

dcclba6
dcclba6

Keep running your mouth Coach Stoops.  You are proving that the SEC is the superior conference by making your quotes.  You don't hear the SEC coaches bad mouthing the Big 12.  FYI... an improving recent bottom feeder but historical powerhouse in the University of Tennessee is coming to your house in 2014.  You better not overlook them!



busmasterjones
busmasterjones

Stoops and OU got rolled by Texas A&M last year in the Cotton Bowl, and Auburn is in the national title game after being in the bottom half of the SEC last season.  I'm not sure Stoops is anything other than sore about the SEC attention and losing recruiting battles with SEC schools.

Adolfis
Adolfis

What is Stoops record against the SEC while he has been at OU?

Matthew W
Matthew W

Not really a SEC fan, but calling them propaganda is absolutely moronic by Stoops. As a conference, you don't roll to 7 straight with a chance at an 8th national titles without being BETTER than everyone else.

EasyGoer
EasyGoer

Alabama got worked over and helped prove Stoops' point: the SEC, as a WHOLE, is overrated. 

CharlieFoxtrot
CharlieFoxtrot

@mashley278  It's called answering questions asked of him in a press conference.  And no, he never called the SEC a "myth".

tony34
tony34

@terlilgnt i am a HUGE SEC fan. I graduated from Bama at the top of my class and work at the local piggly wiggly, hoping to soon be the night manager!!! We are very insecure and root for 12 teams instead of just one. Go SEC Yeahhhhhhhhhh!

Jpaddo81
Jpaddo81

I'm pretty sure people are more concerned with out-of-conference records when determining the overall strength of a conference.

CharlieFoxtrot
CharlieFoxtrot

@dcclba6  "You don't hear SEC coaches badmouthing other conferences"----are you freaking serious?!?!?!?!

bootleg2km
bootleg2km

@dcclba6 You're not serious are you? Didn't Tennessee just get walloped the last 2 years by Oregon? Please! Stoops is 4-4 against Southern Pride. Fu** Southern Pride...Tenn doesn't stand a chance. 

bootleg2km
bootleg2km

@busmasterjones THAT was a Big XII team it's first year in the SEC fool, please...people act like 1 year in the SEC makes you better? Are you serious? Johnny Football is why OU got mauled by A&M which had the title of an SEC team but a BIG XII roster. GTFOH

bootleg2km
bootleg2km

@Adolfis he's 4-4 and UNDEFEATED AGAINST ALABAMA. Any other questions? 

TiredOfCliches
TiredOfCliches

@Adolfis-- painful for Sooner fans, but irrelevant.  He didn't say the SEC didn't have any good teams, did he?  He said that the widespread belief that ALL the teams in the SEC are great is 'propaganda'. His point is valid and unassailable except by throwing out unrelated facts that, while true, have no bearing on what he actually said.


The media is making it sound like he criticized the entire conference, but if you read what he actually says nothing could be further from the truth.


Try not to rise to the media baiting so easily, and a little objectivity about the conference wouldn't hurt, either.

SportsFanMCR
SportsFanMCR

@Matthew W I disagree.   Getting into the BCS Title game has been a pure popularity contest (i.e the polls decide who gets in).    With a playoff coming -- let's see how well the SEC does.


The polls thought that Bama was one of the top 4 teams in the country.  Had a playoff been in place this year, Bama would probably have been included.   


In beating Alabama, Oklahoma showed that the SECs dominance of the polls is an illusion.   

higherfreq
higherfreq

@Matthew W Conferences do not win national championships.  Hard to see how the bottom half of the conference participated in those national championships.  I believe this is Coach Stoops point.  Take out teams coached by Urban Meyer, Les Miles, and Nick Saban (or quarterbacked by Cam Newton), and how does the SEC perform?

tenminutenap
tenminutenap

@Matthew W  Reading is fundamental.


“When I made the comment, the bottom half of the SEC was like 0-36 against the top half of the SEC. You realize that? A year ago … nobody talks about that. My point was, don’t say SEC like they’re all doing that (beating everyone). One or two or three top teams … sure, you give them the credit. Alabama … I’ve got the utmost respect for them. Are you kidding me? How could you not? But in the end, don’t talk about the entire conference that way. It’s just not true.

JeffBockert
JeffBockert

Have you been paying attention to college football?

Paulo_S
Paulo_S

@Matthew W Well it's easy for a conference to win a bunch of titles if they play themselves in the title game or if they are guaranteed to have at least one representative in the championship.

cfmspe
cfmspe

@EasyGoerhmmm... let's look at this year's bowl record - currently the SEC is 7-2, plus Auburn is playing in the upcoming NC game.  So that's 10 teams, out of the 14 SEC team conference, that are bowl-eligible, and then when they get to the bowls they win, excepting Bama's inadequate effort against OU, and a dropped pass near the goal-line in the waning seconds of GA's loss to Nebraska.

So, the SEC bowl record this year will be 7-3 or 8-2.


Meanwhile, the Big-12, is 3-3 in their bowls this year.  So that's at least 4, and perhaps 5, more SEC teams that win a bowl game than Big-12.


Of course, not all SEC teams can be winners, and neither will they all ever be bowl-eligible - a few teams (mathematically) have to lose, due to it being a zero-sum game, i.e. every in conference game (for any conference) has both a winner and a loser.  A conference that has more than it's share of teams in the Top 20-25 will also always have multiple teams with many losses, although this doesn't mean that those teams are as poor performing as teams with similar records in conferences with less talent at the top.  

Witness Auburn - with largely the same players (and new coach), they've gone from SEC doormat to playing in the NC game, and this after dropping down to doormat only two years removed from winning a NC game. Also, witness the drop off of Arkansas from top 5 ranking (at end of 2011 season) after the loss of their coach Petrino. The point being, due to the competition, there's not a huge difference between the bottom and the top. 


This year the 4 SEC teams left out of bowls were Arkansas, Kentucky, Florida (yes, the team that won 2 NCs in the BCS era) and Tennessee (also with a NC win in BCS era).

I'd say there's the evidence that the SEC is better top to bottom as compared to the Big-12.


as for the OU-Alabama game, I'd say that Stoops out-Sabaned Saban, by using the generous time available to re-invent the OU offense to attack the known vulnerabilities of the Bama defense.  Kudos to the Sooners.




mashley278
mashley278

@tony34@terlilgntTony  nice of you and your 46 comments (all anti SEC rants) to show up. You're a tool, you created your profile to cry and whine, you don't watch football and don't understand it. bye bye

Jpaddo81
Jpaddo81

Alabama is a Tier 1 national research university, so making baseless knocks on their academics may point to your own insecurity, considering this is a football thread

SportsFanMCR
SportsFanMCR

@Jpaddo81 True..  and that is where the problem lies.   The SEC only plays 8 league games -- and then uses the other 4 games to play a bunch of weak directional shools  (i.e. Northwestern Tennessee Tech,  Southeastern Alabama Central College, etc.).    Sure there are some exceptions...  but there are very few instances of the SEC playing out of conference games against the Big 12 or Pac-12.   

JeffBockert
JeffBockert

@bootleg2km @busmasterjones You jokers don't realize their isn't any difference between a BIG XII roster and an SEC roster. It's unreal, despite an entire bowl season that proved the SEC isn't any better than any other conference you bozos are still talking. 

mashley278
mashley278

@bootleg2km@AdolfisCool, he beat Mike Shula! AWESOME! Then he beat Saban in a game that didn't matter! Ok Bob, now man up and make it to the championship with Saban.

Jpaddo81
Jpaddo81

For the life of me, I can't ever remember anyone in the media ever saying that ALL SEC teams are great.

Jpaddo81
Jpaddo81

Getting into the NC game and winning it are two different things. Your argument would hold water if the conference was say, 3-3 in its NC games involving other conferences these past few years, but obviously that not the case.

JeffBockert
JeffBockert

@cfmspe @EasyGoer  Wow, you are actually giving them credit for beating Rice, Duke, and Iowa??? You are just the kind of thinker they rely on. 

higherfreq
higherfreq

@cfmspe @EasyGoer Bowl records, while informative, are not indicative of absolute conference strength.  Many of the SEC teams played inferior opponents in their bowl games.  Just because some SEC teams won out of conference games against teams that are not in the Sun Belt, or not FCS teams, doesn't mean they are the greatest conference ever.

mashley278
mashley278

@SportsFanMCR@Jpaddo81"very few instances" except um, MSU opened with OSU this year, UT played Oregon, LSU played UW (and Oregon prior), Auburn with WSU, Bama has traded games with UCLA. And the PAC12? Powerhouse Oregon started with Nicholls State, UCLA took on the juggernaut New Mexico State,Stanford outdid themselves against San Jose State, Army, and ND (and LOST!!!). ASU played Sacramento State...do I really need to go further and include the pathetic other teams? Utah, Colorado, Arizona, WSU etc.?

JeffBockert
JeffBockert

@higherfreq @Jpaddo81  Out of control is right. How did Tennessee look at Oregon? They are ruining the game with their extreme bias. 

higherfreq
higherfreq

@Jpaddo81 No, maybe the media doesn't say all SEC teams are great, per se.  However, when the media does say things like "SEC caliber," "SEC speed," or "SEC defense," they are making the implication that membership in the conference somehow magically imparts some superior football traits.  The CBS/ESPN hype machine is currently out of control with respect to the SEC.

JeffBockert
JeffBockert

@mashley278 @JaysonR1212   I guess we have to spell this out for you. They rank their teams highly to start out the season so people can make the exact argument you just made. Alabama is a great example this year. They were ranked #1 all year but they had only played one decent team. They barely beat A&M. So, because Auburn beat them, they argued Auburn deserved a shot. Oklahoma proved it was all a big scam. Michigan State was just as deserving at Auburn. Guys like you buy into the fact that meaningless early rankings actually mean something. Alabama lost a home in November last year to a freshman QB. 

JeffBockert
JeffBockert

@JoeMcCarron @Jpaddo81  Good point, now that they actually have some creative offensive coordinators in their conference, it's funny how the defenses don't seem so great. 

JeffBockert
JeffBockert

@mkd09  Equally unfair to all teams? I'd say you are the one with some cognitive dissonance  - if not complete delusion. 

quietkey
quietkey

@mashley278 I'd like to point out that the single loss did occur the NEXT DAY after a plane crash killing OSU basketball coaches.  Understandably, they did suffer a loss of focus after a tragic circumstance such as that.   

mashley278
mashley278

@JaysonR1212OSU deserved a shot? After losing to an unranked IOWA and allowing 35 points? Yet Alabama loses to the number 1 team in the country by 3 points in OT after only allowing 9 total points? Good reasoning.

JoeMcCarron
JoeMcCarron

@Jpaddo81  


You can't win a championship unless you are allowed to play in one.  SEC keeps getting the nod from the media that chooses who gets to compete for the title.


ND didn't play well in the championship last year but they went undefeated and play a schedule that blows away most  sec team schedules.   This year of their 13 games 10 were against opponents who played in a bowl game.   But if they get one loss their chance of a title are over.  ND was denied an invitation to the championship 2xs after they finished with 1 loss.  This year MSU and several other teams with one loss got passed over.  


Unless you are in the SEC you must go undefeated to get a shot at the title.    


Stoops was dead on when he said maybe the quarterbacks in the sec aren't so great.  Maybe the defenses in the SEC are having some problems.


mkd09
mkd09

Laughable analysis with a bit of cognitive dissonance thrown in. The BCS may be unfair but it is equally unfair to all teams. You mention the one year there was an all-SEC match-up and disregard the other six NCS games. Oklahoma State was good but they lost to Iowa State that year. I'll take a one loss SEC team over a team that lost to ISU. The true overhype in college football involves Notre Dame and the Big-10. At least the SEC can live up to the propaganda most of the time.

JaysonR1212
JaysonR1212

Your comment doesn't hold when Alabsma played LSU for the title one year making it a guarantee that the SEC would win the title in that given year. Oklahoma State deserved a shot. Bama won it last year but in reality didn't deserve to be there as 1 loss team losing at home to a mediocre A&M team. The point is yes there is propoganda and it mainly involves 1 loss SEC teams backdooring their way into the title game.