Posted November 24, 2013

Auburn moves to No. 4 in latest BCS rankings; Alabama, Florida State hold steady

Auburn, BCS, Postseason
Gus Malzahn (left) and quarterback Nick Marshall can make a run at the BCS title game if they take down Alabama. (Pouya Dianat/SI)

Gus Malzahn (left) and quarterback Nick Marshall can make a run at the BCS title game if they take down Alabama. (Pouya Dianat/SI)

A week before one of the biggest Iron Bowls in SEC history, Auburn has moved to No. 4 in the latest BCS rankings.

The Tigers are set to face No. 1 Alabama at home on Saturday in a rivalry game that will determine the winner of the SEC West. The Crimson Tide remain atop the BCS this week, followed by Florida State, Ohio State, Auburn and Missouri.

This week’s complete BCS rankings:

1. Alabama
2. Florida State
3. Ohio State
4. Auburn
5. Missouri
6. Clemson
7. Oklahoma State
8. Stanford
9. Baylor
10. South Carolina
11. Michigan State
12. Arizona State
13. Oregon
14. Northern Illinois
15. Wisconsin
16. Fresno State
17. LSU
18. Oklahoma
19. UCF
20. Louisville
21. Texas A&M
22. UCLA
23. USC
24. Duke
25. Notre Dame

RICKMAN: Arizona upsets Oregon to squash Ducks’ BCS hopes

A few thoughts:

• One season removed from a 3-9 overall record and a winless mark in the SEC, Auburn is very much alive in both the SEC and BCS title pictures. Baylor’s loss to Oklahoma State this weekend helped the Tigers move up to No. 4 in the rankings, and if Gus Malzahn’s crew is able to knock off the Crimson Tide on the Plains they would likely face Missouri in the SEC Championship Game for a shot at a BCS-title berth. Not a bad turnaround for Malzahn’s first season on the job.

• Most expected to see Baylor holding court at No. 3 in the BCS this week, but thanks to the Bears’ shocking loss at Oklahoma State that didn’t happen. Instead Ohio State remains the No. 3 team heading into this weekend’s rivalry game with Michigan. If No. 1 Alabama falls in the upcoming Iron Bowl, could the Buckeyes jump a one-loss Crimson Tide squad in the BCS title hunt? And how would Auburn factor into the mix against an unbeaten Ohio State squad, one likely to boast a Big Ten title-game victory over Michigan State on its résumé?

MANDEL: Oklahoma State deals Baylor painful dose of BCS reality

• Northern Illinois is suddenly the favorite for a BCS at-large bid among non-automatic qualifying conferences. Hailing from the MAC, the 11-0 Huskies jumped two spots to No. 14 in the BCS this week. In last week’s rankings, NIU trailed Fresno State of the Mountain West by one BCS spot. If the Huskies remain ranked ahead of UCF, which is the likely champ from the American Athletic Conference, we could be looking at Northern Illinois in a BCS bowl for the second straight season. More Jordan Lynch, anyone?

59 comments
FredFlintsone
FredFlintsone

No 1 vs no 4 in Iron bowl an its a rivalry game

Rickapolis
Rickapolis

Okay, how about this scenario:

1) Auburn beats Alabama, and then wins the SEC championship against Missouri.

2) Florida beats FSU (we're imagining things here, bear with me).

3)  MSU beats OSU in the B1G championship

In alphabetical order, Alabama, Auburn, Michigan State and Ohio State are all one loss teams.

So, of course, Alabama - Auburn play in another all SEC NCG.

It could happen! Only #2 is a real stretch.

BrettRoar
BrettRoar

All of the debate over "Strength of Schedule" is ridiculous.  None of the top 5 teams have played a "tough schedule".

1. Alabama beat LSU and respectable A&M team that's it.  If they beat Auburn and win the SEC Championship game... case made and definitely closed (and I'm saying that as a person that can't stand Alabama).

2. Florida State beat Clemson.  Miami has turned out to be not that great.  They get style points but certainly not strength of schedule.  The ACC championship won't help their argument.

3. Ohio State beat Wisconsin.  That's pretty much it but could up their tally by beating MSU in B10 Championship.

4. Auburn beat A&M (a good win but not a great one) and got beat by LSU.  If they beat Alabama they have made a case as good as any of the other teams mentioned.

5. Missouri (I have been pulling for them all season) has only played one team in the current top 25 in which they lost to South Carolina (albeit a close one).  They have to win out to have ANY argument at all.

All the posts about weak schedules are just a load of crap.  Just because you play in a tough conference doesn't mean that you had a "tough schedule".  To schedule good out of conference teams (if they could find someone to play them),  would be an unnecessary risk under the current system.  Why play a tough schedule when you won't be penalized for playing cream puffs?

As it lies now... If you argue for your teams "strength of schedule" prior to conference championship week (unless you are an Alabama fan and they beat Auburn this week) you have a bias for your team and/or your conference.  Just my opinion.

Blinker
Blinker

Things look to be coming together.  Mostly agree with the top ten but in my opinion Michigan State and Arizona State should be ranked at least 9 and 10.  I do have to say that  having NIU in the top 15 is a laughing stock.  Wisconsin, Oklahoma or LSU would kick the living daylights out of them.  I understand they are undefeated and that is a hard thing to do (even in the MAC) but they should be ranked 21-25....  just saying.

kjheider42
kjheider42

how is notre dame in the top 25? ridiculous

LindaHobgood
LindaHobgood

Send them back to LSU, we'll beat them again!

banghartlaw
banghartlaw

Congrats Missouri.  Moves to SEC and dominates.

banghartlaw
banghartlaw

The ranked Big 10 teams not getting enough credit.

OSU undefeated for 2 years.  Michigan State has one loss to Notre Dame that was all about penalties.  MSU has beat everyone since by about 2 touchdowns or more.  Note, Dantonio runs down the clock late with a running game rather than run up points.  Wisconsin lost to OSU in a good game.  Wisconsin lost to ranked ASU in a game that was, again, about the referees.  Thanks for the apology Pac-12 officials about the screw up with the clock.

Jim30
Jim30

I've never been a fan of the BCS. It's all going away soon, so no problem after this season. As far as the bickering about scheduling? Moot point, each program has their share of Creme Puffs, and can choose to play them early or later in the season. Programs on the rise, or rebuilding like to schedule them early to build confidence. The more established programs like to get the Creme Puff bump down the stretch. FSU vs Idaho, anyone?

mashley278
mashley278

Well, I was really right about one thing and really wrong about another...Baylor is an imposter, and so is Oregon...

Chuckster
Chuckster

The only way to stop the incessant whining over the SEC domination is to have a 16 team playoff.  11 conference champs are in plus 5 at large bids based on a modified BCS type system of choice.   

WHO*IS*ESPN
WHO*IS*ESPN

And Northern Illinois would be such a mighty game to see. the mighty MAC with such jr college powerhouses., like Boise of old.  NO REAL top 6 teams would be interested in these 2nd tier guys. see FSU  for last years blowout for reference

AnthonyHughes
AnthonyHughes

If an undefeated Ohio State, which would have not lost a football game since 2011, did not get into the BCS title game and was passed over by a 1-loss Auburn, let's say, I would not watch the game out of principle.  And I say this as somebody who genuinely does not like Ohio State. 

dandogwood
dandogwood

N. Illinois will screw up another bowl game. No one wants N. Illinois in a BCS bowl. small time low class school.  Deny that bid and put a real team in there. amazing how stupid this bowl system is.

zeebaneighba
zeebaneighba

OSU is "likely" to beat MSU? Excuse me? That game is no worse than 50-50 for the Spartans.  Zac, if you're not going to pay attention to the teams and games, just ask for a transfer to the social page. Sheesh.

Also, it' pretty obvious that if Auburn wins, the voters will vault them over OSU because that's how the hive mind works.

humdrumdrumhumming
humdrumdrumhumming

So, now that (most) teams have played 10 FCS teams, let's take a look and see which conference is VASTLY overrated by the pollsters AGAIN….


There are six teams from the SEC in the Top 25 of the BCS…  


THERE IS NO SEC TEAM THAT IS RANKED HIGHER BY THE COMPUTERS THAN ITS BCS STANDING


Alabama is No. 1 in both polls, and Alabama is ranked second by the unbiased computers  +1  ranking

Auburn is ranked fourth in the BCS and fourth in the computers    -zero difference

Mizzou is fifth in the BCS, and fifth in the computers   - zero difference

South Carolina is 10th in the BCS but only 12th in the computers  +2

LSU is 17th in the BCS standings but only 19th in the computers    +2

Texas A&M is 21st in the BCS standings, but only 23rd in the computers   +2


overall, these six SEC teams are ranked SEVEN spots HIGHER in the BCS than by the computers 


NOT A SINGLE SEC TEAM IS RANKED LOWER IN THE BCS STANDINGS THAN ITS COMPUTER RANKING 

FOUR OF THE SIX RANKED SEC TEAMS ARE RANKED HIGHER IN THE BCS THAN IN THE COMPUTERS


how about the Pac-12's  five ranked teams? 


(five of the Pac-12's teams are ranked, 42 percent, 6 of the SEC's fourteen teams are ranked, or 43 percent… no i'm not saying the conference is better, i'm saying these ranking differences will carry over into next season's preseason perception when once again the SEC's reputation will be overranked)


Stanford is ranked 8th in the BCS and 9th by the computers +1

Arizona St. is ranked 12th in the BCS -- -and ASU is SIXTH in the computers -6

Oregon is 13th in the BCS and is ranked 15th by the computers +2

UCLA is ranked 22nd in the BCS, and 19th in the computers  -3

USC is ranked 23rd in the BCS, and ranked 21st by the computers  -3


overall these five Pac-12 teams have been ranked EIGHT spots lower in the BCS than by the computers…


THREE OF THE FIVE RANKED PAC-12 TEAMS ARE RANKED AT LEAST THREE SPOTS LOWER IN THE BCS THAN BY THE UNBIASED COMPUTERS!!!


once again the criminals running the "universities" in the SEC have won the battle of perception with their disgusting scheduling practices and complete lack of ethics…


the SEC, where perception is everything…


and


SCHEDULING


EQUALS 


CHAMPIONSHIPS




surfcity
surfcity

@Rickapolis You are right only #2 is a stretch. But it is at Florida, they are embarrassed after last week, maybe Winston gets rattled by the fans, they get a few breaks/turnovers. Very unlikely but not impossible. I seriously doubt Alabama gets in over Michigan St. though. Alabama would still be ranked ahead in the computers but it would not be enough to overcome Michigan St. being ranked #2 in the polls.

BrettRoar
BrettRoar

@Rickapolis Florida beating FSU is not out of the realm of possible.  It is college football and this will be Florida's NC game in their mind.  They are a horrible team but still have a roster chalked full of 4 and 5 star athletes and nothing to lose.

Under this your scenario, the only way a one lose Alabama team gets passed up by anyone is if they get completely destroyed by Auburn.  Other than that... no way the voters move them down far enough for anyone else to be considered.

surfcity
surfcity

@kjheider42 They are about where they should be. There are four 3 loss teams ahead of them, and there are a few behind them. They have beaten Arizona St., SC and Michigan St. That is pretty impressive. Don't worry though, after Saturday they won't be in the top 25 anymore.

BrettRoar
BrettRoar

@kjheider42 I agree... a little suspect because of their 3 losses.  However, they did beat 3 of the current top 25 teams.  How many other teams can say that?

mashley278
mashley278

@banghartlaw I'm guessing you forgot they did pretty well in the Big 12? When they announced the move, most SEC fans were much more impressed with Mizzou than A&M. "Dominates"? The first four games were against high school teams, then Vandy and a half dead Georgia team, then they beat the worst team in the SECE, Florida, then lost to South Carolina. I'd say got a very good schedule, and some luck this year. We'll see in the SECCG if they "dominate" anything when they face a conference power.

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

@banghartlaw Dominates?  Has that 2-6 SEC record from last year already faded from memory?  A nice run so far this year, but it has been done without playing the best teams from the SEC West. 

BrettRoar
BrettRoar

@banghartlaw The only team I have a problem with being in the top 10 is Baylor.  All of the following teams would beat Baylor handedly based off of Baylor's inability to match up with a big physical team.  Baylor is a very good team.  No disrespect, but they got pushed around by OSU.

10. South Carolina
11. Michigan State
12. Arizona State
15. Wisconsin
17. LSU
21. Texas A&M
22. UCLA


BrettRoar
BrettRoar

@Chuckster No one is "whining over the SEC domination".  The only people whining are SEC fans wanting the rest of the country to agree with your notion that no one else can compete with SEC teams.  Texas A&M and Missouri were mediocre teams in the BIG 12 and are already top tier teams in the "MIGHTY SEC".  The SEC is just another conference that has had a very good decade.  The only thing the playoff system is going to do is ruin the media's notion that no one else can compete with you.  Finally... good bye to the pro SEC BCS.

blbell23
blbell23

You clearly did not watch last year's Orange Bowl or you wouldn't have called it a blowout.  Try doing more than reading a box score.

surfcity
surfcity

@AnthonyHughes I think you'll be watching. There is no chance that any 1 loss team gets in over Ohio St.

KidHorn
KidHorn

@AnthonyHughes I doubt it would happen. An undefeated major conference team has never been replaced with a 1 loss team.

blbell23
blbell23

@dandogwood I want NIU in a BCS bowl game, so your whole point is moot.  They aren't small time or low class, but your mom is.  Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Bearsclone
Bearsclone

@dandogwood That "low class" school gave Florida State a better game in that bowl than most of their "high class" opponents last year or this year.


John H
John H

@dandogwood Low class? From which Ivy League institution did you graduate?

Chuckster
Chuckster

@zeebaneighba That MSU "D" is stout.   Question is can they put enough pts on the board OR control the ball enough to keep the OSU "O" off the field.   My pigskin prognostication:   OSU 24  MSU 20.  But that can easily go the other way by the same score.

mashley278
mashley278

@humdrumdrumhumming Hey GeorgeKaplan! You're worthless. You copy and paste this repeatedly like you're being paid to do it. Now, after all that has happened this season, you look like an even bigger idi0t.

Chuckster
Chuckster

@humdrumdrumhumming Hey hey...you'll have your chance next season with the playoff unless of course the PAC12 continues to shoot itself in the foot. 

Bearsclone
Bearsclone

@humdrumdrumhumming You know, I would agree with you, except that those "over rated" SEC teams tend to paddle the competition from every other conference.

"Over rated" is a program like Notre Dame that consistently gets into BCS bowls and then consistently gets embarrassed.

The PAC 12 has terrific talent so I am not taking anything away from them, but the SEC is the real deal, and will continue to have terific talent because it's just easier to recruit in your region, and the SEC region is the heart of football talent in America, especially now that A & M is in the SEC.

Wesley11
Wesley11

@humdrumdrumhumming Except this totally begs the question by insinuating that the computer rankings--and only the computer rankings--are accurate, fair, unbiased, or the best measure by which to rank teams. The WHOLE point of the BCS is to combine human and computer systems on the understanding that there are strengths and weaknesses to both methods and that by combining you wind up with an overall more accurate picture than any one method or poll by itself.  To say "the computers have X team at rank Y and the overall comprehensive count has that team at rank Z" is just selective perception. Yes. There are and will be differences, as was the entire point of the system.

barfield.j
barfield.j

@humdrumdrumhumming

"once again the criminals running the "universities" in the SEC have won the battle of perception with their disgusting scheduling practices and complete lack of ethics…

the SEC, where perception is everything…and SCHEDULING EQUALS CHAMPIONSHIPS"

There's not a single team in the PAC 12, Big 12, ACC or  ANY other conference with a tougher schedule  than Auburn's. . .or Alabama's for that matter. 


banghartlaw
banghartlaw

@JoeCabot @banghartlaw Okay, one word down from dominate.  Except S.Carolina, they've won every game by at least 2 touchdowns.  I'd rank them just after S.Carolina.  

1. Alabama
2. Florida State
3. Ohio State
4. Auburn
5. Clemson
6. Oklahoma State
7. Michigan State
8. South Carolina
9. Missouri

10. Arizona State or Wisconsin (Sorry Stanford, Utah loss)

BrettRoar
BrettRoar

@JoeCabot @banghartlaw Maybe dominates is too strong of a word... but they certainly fit right in with the SEC competition.  They are competing week in and week out and are in the running this late in the year.  In only their second year?  Not bad.

mashley278
mashley278

@BrettRoar @Chuckster Um, your revisionist history on Mizzou and TAMU might fool casual football observers and stupid people, but not me. Prior to the move, Mizzou won their division title twice in 07 and 08, (12-2 and 10-4 - including bowl games), and followed that up with a 10-2 and 8-4 season. So while they were "mediocre" in your mythical world, they were among the top teams in the Big 12. Texas A&M doesn't even count. Kevin Sumlin wasn't there and neither was Johnny Football. Unless of course you're saying that Mike Sherman and Kevin Sumlin are equal...

zeebaneighba
zeebaneighba

@Chuckster @zeebaneighba OSU's D isn't great and their offense has problems with MSU's defensive style. But my main objection is to calling an OSU win "likely" -  that suggests a team would win a matchup 3 out of four times or 4 out of 5. This one is pretty close to a toss-up.

humdrumdrumhumming
humdrumdrumhumming

@barfield.j @humdrumdrumhumming

yes, i realize you guys like to beat your chests, but thinking has merits too...


the SEC, where perception is everthing, and education is a foreign word…


might wanna check that OOC scheduling pal...


 Sagarin currently has Alabama's schedule ranked 55th in the country..

Auburn has the 38th toughest schedule in the country..


PAC-12 TEAMS HAVE PLAYED SEVEN OF THE EIGHT HARDEST SCHEDULES IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY!!!!!


Arizona State has played the SECOND toughest schedule in the country..

Stanford has played the FIFTH toughest schedule in the country

UCLA has the SIXTH toughest schedule in the country 

Washington has the ELEVENTH toughest 

USC has the FOURTEENTH toughest

Arizona has the 24th toughest

Utah has  played the hardest  schedule in the entire country   - FIRST

Washington State has had the FOURTH toughest schedule in the country

California has the THIRD toughest schedule in the country

Oregon has played the 25th toughest

Oregon St. has played the 17th toughest

Colorado has played the EIGHTH toughest schedule in the country…


EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN THE PAC-12 has PLAYED ONE OF THE TOP 25 TOUGHEST SCHEDULES IN THE COUNTRY


any more questions???

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

@BrettRoar Competing is a great description.  Dominates is not.  Missouri was 2-6 in the SEC last year, and yet to play in the conference championship game, although that could change soon.

cfmspe
cfmspe

@BrettRoar @mashley278 @Chuckster Speaking of Texas and Oklahoma, perhaps you've forgotten that Texas A&M (with new additions Sumlin & Manziel) crushed Oklahoma (Big-12 Co Champion) in last year's bowl game, and also lowly Mississippi who's never amounted to much of anything in SEC also crushed Texas (by 21 points) on Texas' home field THIS season, despite losing to 4 SEC teams already.   Not sure what myth you're referring to, but comparing what happened 3-4 years ago to last two years performance is comparing apples and oranges.  


BrettRoar
BrettRoar

@mashley278 @BrettRoar @Chuckster You got me....  07 and 08 followed by an "8-4" season.  I love seeing Missouri doing well and have been pulling for them all season.  I just meant to say that they were not one of the 2 front runners in the PAC 12 year in and year out (Texas and Oklahoma).  Watching Missouri and A&M debunk the SEC myth is awesome.  That was my point.  Good luck to Missouri.  Hope they make it to the title game and win it all. 

humdrumdrumhumming
humdrumdrumhumming

@Chuckster @humdrumdrumhumming


really?


i thought "wesley" just stated that human rankings are unbiased?


i thought wesley didn't contradict anything i said… which spoke to the criminal OOC scheduling of the SEC and rankings bias of the pollsters.. 


and i've now thought upon you too long altogether "chuckster"


but why don't i leave you with this…


The six ranked SEC teams play 24 OOC games (because the SEC only plays eight games against the other 13 teams in their conference)


The five Pac-12 teams have played 15 non-conference games, because they have played 9 conference games for forever…



Of the SEC's ranked teams 24 OOC games --- TWO have been on the road…. 


TWO out of 24 non-conference games by the ranked SEC teams were played on the road..


The Pac-12's ranked teams played FIVE of their 15 OOC games on the road.


The SEC will play only EIGHT PERCENT  of its OOC games on the road, the Pac-12's ranked teams played THIRTY THREE PERCENT of their OOC games on the road..



FOUR of the six ranked SEC teams are only playing four road games all season, those mandated in league play..

Only one Pac-12 team has just four road games, while TWO ranked Pac-12 teams play SIX road games this season -- 

no ranked team in the SEC will play six road games.


Only ONE of the six ranked teams in the SEC has more than nine  FBS teams on its schedule this season (South Carolina has 11)


EVERY SINGLE RANKED PAC-12 TEAM PLAYS ELEVEN OR MORE FBS TEAMS THIS SEASON, 

THREE OF THEM WILL PLAY TWELVE…..


we're skipping the unbelievable amount of FCS teams and patsies in late October or November dotting each and every Southeastern Conference schedule, but you all know this, the people in the South have sold their souls so they can win football games…


game theory ---when practiced by school administrators, educators and coaches in pursuit of money and football success at the expense of ethics and education ---  is reprehensible ...


But you all know this, those who love it and those who hate it..



the SEC, where people can't read, perception is everything,



and



Scheduling 


Equals 


Championships