Posted November 24, 2013

AP Poll: Ohio State back to No. 3, Alabama and FSU at the top after Week 13

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Baylor's loss has Carlos Hyde and Ohio State firmly in the national title discussion. (Jamie Sabau/Getty Images)

Baylor’s loss has Carlos Hyde and Ohio State firmly in the national title discussion. (Jamie Sabau/Getty Images)

November is the month where dream seasons are made or broken, and Week 13 helped clear up the picture leading into the home stretch of the year. As ESPN’s Brent Musberger said during Baylor’s loss to Oklahoma State on Saturday, it’s not worth worrying, because the BCS has a way of taking care of itself.

As we wait for the BCS standings to drop Sunday evening, the AP Poll should give a general sense of where teams are. Ohio State fans are likely happy, as their path to the championship opens up a bit, and now it would appear the Buckeyes just need a loss from Alabama or Florida State to move into the top two. Baylor dropped six spots following the loss to the Cowboys, while Oklahoma State jumped up to No. 7 in the win. Oregon fell to No. 12 from No. 5 after getting blown out by Arizona, and Arizona State climbed six spots to No. 13 after its win over UCLA.

The complete AP Poll (with first-place votes in parentheses) is below:

1. Alabama (56)
2. Florida State (4)
3. Ohio State
4. Auburn
5. Missouri
6. Clemson
7. Oklahoma State
8. Stanford
9. Baylor
10. South Carolina
11. Michigan State
12. Oregon
13. Arizona State
14. Wisconsin
15. LSU
16. Fresno State
17. UCF
18. Northern Illinois
19. Texas A&M
20. Oklahoma
21. Louisville
22. UCLA
23. USC
24. Duke
25. Notre Dame

Here are a few thoughts from this week’s results:

• Wisconsin finally seems to be getting the respect it deserves. The Badgers beat a scrappy Minnesota team on the road on Saturday and is in prime position to steal a BCS at-large bid if they finish the season out with a win over Penn State. Their two losses were by a combined nine points, and the loss to the Sun Devils was a bit controversial to begin with. The Gary Andersen era has started off quite nicely.

• There are now three SEC teams in the top five and four in the top ten in all. Although the league seems to be down as opposed to other years, with injuries ravaging much of the conference, there’s still a lot of strength there. Alabama has been at the top spot all year, and the sudden ascension of Auburn and Missouri has to be a welcome sight with teams like Florida, LSU and Georgia having tough years.

• Stanford has to be playing the ‘what if?’ game a lot this year. The USC and Utah losses in a vacuum might not seem so bad, but with championship hopes coming into the year and a bevy of strong wins on the Cardinal’s schedule, even a one-loss Stanford team could make the BCS picture murky. But it will likely be staring at the teams above it and focusing on a difficult task at hand in having to beat Arizona State again to win the Pac-12. The Sun Devils have been playing really good football as of late.

70 comments
HerschelAnderton
HerschelAnderton

2007 Florida 41, Ohio State 14 ... 2008 LSU 38, Ohio State 24 .... 2009 Florida 24, Oklahoma 14

2010 Alabama 37, Texas 21 .... 2011 Auburn 22, Oregon 19.....  2012 Alabama 21, LSU 0   

2013 Alabama 42, Notre Dame 14 ...2014 SEC team > your bias

Wesley11
Wesley11

Alabama's SoS just got a hit and a boost. Lost Ole Miss and A&M fell, but next week is not a Top 5 foe and if they win and Mizzou does, too, they face another Top 5 right after that.

6marK6
6marK6

The system is manipulated to guarantee the SEC a team in the championship. Alabama has been great. But Auburn bought their one championship and LSU used thugs to get his. LSU's were Saban's. Saban and Meyer are the success of the SEC.

Rickapolis
Rickapolis

The problem for OSU now, I think, is if Auburn beats Alabama in the Iron Bowl, and wins the SEC championship game after that, they may well leap over the Buckeyes. After that debacle of a NC game last year an undefeated record might not be enough. Notre Dame got crushed, as most said they would. They made the game BECAUSE they were Notre Dame. Ohio State, even with their great history, doesn't carry that cache. It really does seem that the cards are stacked against them.

6marK6
6marK6

The SEC is OVERRATED!!!!

mkd09
mkd09

Reality is Auburn and Alabama have won the BCS National Championship the past four years.  FSU is 5-1 in their last six bowl appearances and....Ohio State is 2-4 in their last six bowl appearances.  I don't think OSU has what it takes to consistently win the big game--- i.e. no potential outside their conference when playing legit competition.  I hope OSU proves me wrong against Mich State and in the subsequent BCS bowl, but I don't think so. 

LivingOneHanded
LivingOneHanded

The Badger loss to ASU was "a bit controversial?" Uh...

Ryan1
Ryan1

Whoever wins the SEC, one loss or unbeaten, they should be playing for the national title. That conference is still the toughest in the nation.

The Big 10 is down this year and Ohio State doesn't really have a signature win over a top team as of yet. They are relying on the B10 title game and mich state, but whoever wins the SEC title game, will have that kind of win, be it Bama, Auburn, Mizzou, or even South Carolina. 

Florida State is going to skate into that title game it appears so it really is a waiting game to see who gets that next spot.

EricWelsh
EricWelsh

@HerschelAnderton If conferences like the B1G recruited with the same rules that the SEC is allowed to use, then they would be just as cutthroat competitive as the SEC, but the media chooses to ignore those blatantly obvious rule differences between the SEC and every other conference because, well...because good football is better than integrity or investment in young men as student athletes.

Use em and toss em out--that's the SEC way.

Matthew53
Matthew53

@6marK6 LSU Thugs? So how do you pass over Meyer in that sentence and instead put it in with the success of Saban?

Meyer recruited more thugs than anyone else in the SEC....

riley8
riley8

@6marK6 Hey know it all, how many championships has the SEC won in a row?  Count em up hoss 1,2,3,4,5,6,7.  Seems like something consistent is going on.  

doghockey
doghockey

@6marK6 Given that there are folks from multiple conferences that are involved in this system, please explain how they are all sitting around letting the SEC people call the shots.   It would seem that your conspiracy lacks merit.  And common sense.

jeffcooper71
jeffcooper71

@Rickapolis I do not see a one loss team jumping OSU.  But that does not change the reality that there are one, two and three loss teams that are better than some undefeated teams.  Bring on a 16 team playoff. That way all the undefeateds and 1 loss teams get a shot. then the rest of the open slots can be filled by SEC teams like LSU who even though they have 3 losses can still beat FSU and OSU.

doghockey
doghockey

@6marK6 Where are these conference rankings that you are referencing?

RonAglund
RonAglund

@6marK6 Yeah, that would be why they've won every BCS bowl in memory...

carnage_2012
carnage_2012

@mkd09 As an Ohio State fan, you are spot on. Oh St secondary is terrible at best. They would get smoked by several of these top 10 teams and would much prefer to see Ala and Fla St in the NCG, it would be much more exciting than a repeat of 06 and 07

jasonts
jasonts

@Ryan1 Nah.  Ole Miss sux.  Miss State sux.  Vanderbilt sux, Georgia sux, TN sux, Florida sux, Kentucky sux, A&M just got exposed as frauds by LSU, Auburn hasn't played anyone except for a weak SEC conference.  Alabama hasn't played anyone except a weak SEC conference.  Why should a hypothetical one loss SEC team go to the NC game over undefeated FSU and OSU again?

me1
me1

@Ryan1 The Buckeyes are now 23-0 over 2 seasons. If the "league is down", wouldn't any given team in the league have an equal chance of winning any given weekend? So what do you think the likelihood of going 23-0 is under these conditions?

When a coach like Meyer comes in, you have to take the fact that the Bucks have historically choked in many big games and toss that out the window. If all 3 teams go unbeaten, one gets screwed. I am not convinced that OSU can't compete with either Alabama or FSU. I think people may be surprised.

doghockey
doghockey

@EricWelsh Doing a simple google search on this Big 10 integrity show plenty of these young men being in serious legal trouble, and kicked off of teams.  You know, use 'em and toss 'em out?  Oh and a little issue at Penn State that has been headline news for a few years.  Your holier-than-thou defense is amusing and a bit off base.  Win at all costs is rampant in big time college football, in every conference.

Jimmyfootball
Jimmyfootball

@riley8 @6marK6 Well, I agree that the SEC is definitely the best conference in football and probably would have won every year regardless.  But I think his argument invalidates yours a bit because the SEC always has more of a chance of having representation in the BCS; i.e. because of this "biased system."  Not saying I agree, but it would be nice to see more inter conference match ups as opposed to the SEC paying FCS teams for 50% of the season. This would help to avoid the bias altogether.

jeffcooper71
jeffcooper71

@RonAglund @6marK6 I love listening to individuals whine about the SEC being overrated.  How many years have OSU, Michigan, ND MIami and FSU started the season in the top 5 or top 10 solely based on reputation? The SEC actually wins year in and year out and they are somehow overrated. Hilarious.

andrewipfw
andrewipfw

@carnage_2012 @mkd09 OSU has the most BCS bowl appearances and is tied with USC for most wins.  They are 6-3 in BCS games and Big Ten is 12-14 while FSU is 2-5 and ACC is 3-13.  Its easy to have a 5-1 bowl record when playing in the Little Caesar's bowl each year, but when playing good competition, FSU and ACC stink  

Ryan1
Ryan1

@jasonts @Ryan1 

FSU if they lose to UF - that is a bad loss in the last week of the regular season so that would knock FSU out. and, but Ohio State would go over a one loss FSU team. 

If Auburn wins the SEC, that will be 5 ranked teams they have defeated. Mizzou, the same.

Ohio State currently has one win over a ranked opponent and with a win over MSU, would make two. Their OOC is worse than Mizzou or Auburn, given Cal is worse than Indiana or Wash St -and the rest of their OOC is just as pathetically weak- this year.

Ryan1
Ryan1

@me1 @Ryan1 

perhaps - but last year they weren't bowl eligible and this year their SOS is just incredibly weak. I think going two years unbeaten and not winning a title is ridiculous but at the same time, you have to blame the system and this year, their accomplishments on the field just don't dictate, at this point that they deserve to play for the title over a one loss SEC team. Mich St would be their best win, how many wins would Bama or Auburn have, that are far better wins than beating an MSU team? 

The league is down, that is the reality. Penn State and Wisconsin over the past decade, for the most part, along with UM in a few years, they are the teams that have been making the B10 competitive. UM isn't having a good year, Wisconsin underwent a lot of change, and PSU is dealing with severe sanctions. Mich State is getting much better but Iowa who had been having some good wins, is bad, Purdue, Illinois, are bad, Nebraska isn't what they were. This is a conf with 5 programs since the late 80's that have won national titles, but right now, 4 of those traditional powerhouses aren't looking great. 

HerschelAnderton
HerschelAnderton

@doghockey @EricWelsh seriously.. have you already forgotten about what the honorable institution of ohio state did with maurice clarett?  wait..why am i even bothering responding to you?

Wesley11
Wesley11

@Jimmyfootball  

Fun fact,  Alabama played the same number of FCS teams (1 - Chattanooga) as Oregon (Nicholls), Baylor (Wofford), Ohio (Florida A&M), and FSU (Bethune-Cookman). No more. 


Can we drop the "SEC plays FCS half the seasons" hyperbolic whinefest already. EVERYONE played a number of joke teams. EVERYONE.

HerschelAnderton
HerschelAnderton

@Jimmyfootball @riley8 @6marK6 uga opened against clemson.  alabama opened against vatech.  tenn played oregon.  i could go on.  you are right about one thing:  the sec is definitely the best conference.

HerschelAnderton
HerschelAnderton

@6marK6 @doghockey michigan lost to app state.  the big 10 is overrated. eastern washington beat oregon state.  the pac-12 is overrated.  north dakota state beat kansas state.  the big 12 is overrated.  mcneese state beat usf.  the big east is overrated.  the sec has won 7 straight national championship games.  the sec is ove....wait... we could go on and on.  but, the fact remains that the sec is the most dominant conference.

doghockey
doghockey

@6marK6 Yeah, they beat Florida yesterday.  That would seem to make unranked Florida overrated.  Now, again, where are these conference rankings that you are complaining about?   It would make sense that, if the SEC is overrated, there must be a place that I can go to see the rankings.  Thanks.

jasonts
jasonts

@Wesley11 @jasonts Fine, you want another one?  There are 2 SEC teams in the Top 5.  A Big 12 team leads the SEC East.  

Wesley11
Wesley11

@jasonts 

So, to follow your logic...3 out of the top 5 teams in the  newest BCS rankings going into the final week are SEC teams and 1 team, with 11 starter injuries that's been on a downward spiral, suffers a particularly humiliating loss and the entire conference is overrated because of the loss?

This is why no one takes the whiners seriously.

andrewipfw
andrewipfw

@mkd09 @andrewipfw @carnage_2012 They have BCS wins over Va Tech and Northern Illinois.  Not exactly great teams.  Over the past 2 years, when FSU plays a good out of conference team (Florida in 2012 and Oklahoma in 2011) they get beat.  Not to mention the hiccups they seem to always have like NC State.  What is the last BIG out of conference win for FSU?

mkd09
mkd09

@andrewipfw @carnage_2012 @mkd09 Not denying that OSU is a good team but it makes sense they should have the most bowl appearances because they are traditionally  the most dominant team in an AQ conference. Except for the '03 Fiesta Bowl, every one of OSU's BCS wins have come against two loss teams.  They tend to lose against one-loss or undefeated teams.  Agree that ACC tends to stink but regardless of bowl, FSU has been ready and has taken care of business.  

Ryan1
Ryan1

@Twen15 @RonAglund @MaveriQ 

Ohio States OOC schedule is worse than Mizzou or Auburn - their big OOC game was CAL and then look at the rest. Ohio State has a weak schedule because their OOC and conf schedules are weaker than anyone else in the top ten. 

Twen15
Twen15

@RonAglund past performance in college football does not indicate a whole lot since teams have constant personnel turnover. I think @MaveriQ hit the nail on the head by pointing out that in this year, Auburn and Mizzou would not deserve to play for the title if they had one loss. Their out of conference schedules are not that strong and typically strong SEC teams (Florida, GA, Ark.) have been very down--contributing to some pretty easy wins for those teams. Mizzou and OSU even have a common opponent, which OSU just beat much more soundly in the snow this past weekend...and there's that little thing where OSU hasn't lost a game and Mizzou has...

RonAglund
RonAglund

@MaveriQ @Ryan1 @me1 You're an idiot. They're whole conference is a nightmare. Why would they want to add to that misery.

Alabama, LSU, Florida and Auburn have all won the BCS recently generally trouncing whoever their opponent was who wasn't a fellow SEC team.

Non-SEC teams have had their chance and just end up getting pummeled. The Florida-Ohio State game is a great example. The "experts" thought Ohio was the sure victor as Florida was thought to be the 3rd or 4th ranked SEC team who just had a couple of good games and they absolultey destroyed Ohio State.

Ericfollowedbyanumber
Ericfollowedbyanumber

@Ryan1 @me1 How many wins would Bama or Auburn have that are far better wins than beating MSU? Hard to say...I'm not sure I can think of any so far that are "far better." For Auburn, what do we have to choose from? A miracle against a bad Georgia team? Tough matchups with Florida Atlantic and East West Carolina? Arkansas State? Washington State (6-5)? If Auburn beats Alabama, then I would classify that as a better win. If Alabama beats Auburn, I don't really know. But an undefeated Alabama obviously deserves a spot in the NC.

AaronGodfrey
AaronGodfrey

@Ryan1 @me1  Iowa is actually 7-4, not that bad.....Also, it's Ohio State's OWN fault they didn't get to play for it last year.  They self-imposed a bowl ban against themselves for all the illegal benefits their players got.


MaveriQ
MaveriQ

@Ryan1 @me1 SEC is a self-propagating machine right now, and they don't deserve it. 'Bama does, but the rest are over-inflated. What is Missouri's best win? Where is the outrage over their non-conference schedule? Is Indiana their best non-conf win? but because they play in the SEC they are #5, and then give more credit to a team that beats them. Which non-conf win is Auburn proud of? Wazzou, FAU, W Car. or Ark St? #4? When Bama only beats Miss St by 13, its because the SEC is so amazing that the bottom schools can play with anyone. When Ohio State only beats Illinois by 25 it's because the Big Ten is terrible and slow.

summary, an undefeated Bama deserves to be there. A one-loss SEC team does not.