Posted October 22, 2013

AP Poll: Florida State a big winner after major shakeup of Week 8

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Jameis Winston and Florida State had reason to smile after crushing Clemson on Saturday. (Mike Stewart/AP)

Jameis Winston and Florida State had reason to smile after crushing Clemson on Saturday. (Mike Stewart/AP)

Welcome to the carnage. With five teams in the AP Top 10 going down on Saturday, Week 8’s poll was detonated and voters were left trying to piece it back together.

Clemson, LSU, Texas A&M, Louisville, UCLA, South Carolina and Georgia all fell, making room for other teams to move up and some interesting storylines to emerge. There are now just two undefeated SEC teams, Alabama and Missouri, and Florida State leapfrogged Ohio State (and picked up two first-place votes) after its decimation of Clemson. UCF joined the poll after beating Louisville, although the Knights find themselves ranked behind Louisville. Auburn jumped all the way from No. 24 to No. 11 after its win over Texas A&M.

The complete AP Poll (with first-place votes in parentheses) is below:

1. Alabama (55)
2. Oregon (3)
3. Florida State (2)
4. Ohio State
5. Missouri
6. Baylor
7. Miami
8. Stanford
9. Clemson
10. Texas Tech
11. Auburn
12. UCLA
13. LSU
14. Texas A&M
15. Fresno State
16. Virginia Tech
17. Oklahoma
18. Louisville
19. Oklahoma State
20. South Carolina
21. UCF
22. Wisconsin
23. Northern Illinois
24. Michigan
25. Nebraska

• It’s a judgment call, sure, but not sure why Michigan State isn’t ranked. The loss to Notre Dame hurts the Spartans, but MSU’s defense is about as dominant as Virginia Tech’s, and Sparty might just be the best team in the Legends division. It’s a toss up regardless between Michigan, Nebraska and Michigan State right now.

• Missouri moved up to No. 5 after a pretty strong win over Florida on Saturday. Despite playing with freshman quarterback Maty Mauk for the injured James Franklin, the Tigers moved the ball and played well defensively. Mizzou controls its own destiny in the SEC East and has South Carolina this coming Saturday.

• Fresno State climbed up to No. 15 after the Bulldogs’ win over UNLV, and NIU stayed at No. 23 after beating Central Michigan. These are your two non-AQ hopes to bust the BCS.

139 comments
entprof
entprof

Why in the hell is South Carolina ranked?

ScottBoyle
ScottBoyle

Can't really argue, but I would have liked to see ASU ranked again. Lost to ND in Dallas 37-34, and lost to Stanford on the road thanks to a dismal 1st half. Destroyed USC and Washington and beat (kind of) Wisconsin. Those three wins are light years better than anything Baylor has done. But, like I said, not going to kick and scream for it since the polls really don't matter. Just like propping up my Devils.

Ciscos
Ciscos

Missouri jumping, deservedly so. Nice.

Florida State jumping Oregon? Now that's puzzling. 


jrwkpricester
jrwkpricester

Auburn fan here- with Auburn's 13 point jump to number 11, I'm curious, what is the biggest jump ever in a team's standing from one week to the next? This jump to #11 surprised me nearly as much as our win against TAM did.

First1
First1

Wow, Missouri went from 25th to 5th in two weeks after beating a couple of 4-2 teams....  Maybe the famous names had something to do with it?

thebigdawg3
thebigdawg3

Any College Football Poll with a human element is such a joke.  There are 120 "Division 1" schools (oops, I mean FBS schools … hey, how many people voting in these polls know what FBS means?  I guarantee not all of them, hopefully at least half though).  So the minimum of games to watch all the schools is 60 per weekend (excluding byes).  Obviously you could probably narrow that 120 down to the top-20 schools (although not sure how determine who the top-20 are?). Assuming that you can narrow down to 20, how many of these voters watch the entire 3 hours of each one of these 10 - 20 games each week, before they vote on Sunday night?  (Well the answer to that is ZERO).  My favorite poll is of course the coaches poll.  Obviously they have a lot of time to watch all the games … well … maybe they do!  :-)

wlewisiii
wlewisiii

Exhibit A why no one should care about Minor League Football anymore. Just pay the players and stop pretending. 

Chessmaster
Chessmaster

People complain every week when these polls come out... its a waste of time. Authorities KNOW its biased and unfair... but THEY DON'T CARE. It sells magazines, gives them material to write stories, strokes their egos, and most importantly whips fans into frenzies so they'll buy tickets and merchandise. Its worse than a rigged jury... its a scripted infomercial.


A real system would do it like the pros (who don't have or need polls), with teams assigned to conferences/ divisions whose winners meet in post-season bracket playoffs. Simple as that!

Fifilo
Fifilo

Rotten system in every way.

Vinny Cordoba
Vinny Cordoba

None of this would even matter if they had a decent playoff system. You don't hear many people whining about the rankings halfway through the college basketball season because everybody knows it means less than nothing.

mystafugee
mystafugee

The only thing worse than opinions polls is giving these polls credence by including them in the selection process to decide your sport's national title.  That's college football for you.  I realize NCAA basketball also does it in a similar fashion but at least a) it's not basically a system where deserving teams get left out, call the NCAA tourney diluted but better you let in undeserving teams than let a deserving team sit out and b) there's a clear criteria set by the NCAA.  

SECownsCFB
SECownsCFB

If a team from a conference other than the SEC can't win a NC this year, you won't have a right to complain about the SEC's so-called favoritism. Prove you can do it!

jeffcooper71
jeffcooper71

What I find most telling is that last week Oregon had 5 number 1 votes. This week they have 3.  Alabama still has the same 55 that they had last week.  Not saying Oregon cannot win it all I just find this very interesting.

AaronDunckel
AaronDunckel

As long as voters move teams up and down based on some artificial week to week sliding scale, the polls will be a joke.  Just because Clemson was #3 going into the weekend, doesn't mean a loss only moves them down a few slots.  Just because Louisville was top 10 before its loss, doesn't mean it only should go down a few points as well.  Both teams should be out of the top 20.  


Each week the poll should be a "power rankings" system.  If a team is #1, its because you believe in a head to head matchup they would beat every other team.  If a team is #12 its because they would beat teams 13-25 but lost to teams 1-11.  Unfortunately thats not how it works.  Instead pollsters arbitrarily move teams up and down relative to their position to start the season.  


As long as rankings occur like this, they're a joke - FORTUNATELY we are getting a selection committee who will take a raw look at resumes, eye-tests, and intangibles from a total perspective at the end of the year in the future. 

JaysonR1212
JaysonR1212

This top 25 is a joke.  LSU has two losses one loss to a three loss Georgia team and one to an unranked opponent.  They deserve to be a the bottom of the Top 25.  Same goes for A&M.  Losing at home to Auburn?  Clemson losing by about 100 at home and still in the Top 10?  Ridiculous.  And finally South Carolina just sucks and they don't deserve to be ranked.  They got handily beat by Georgia and just lost to a bad Tennessee team.  

Jimijames
Jimijames

@First1 Mizzou fan here--I'm surprised by the big jump too. Mizzou's good, and they may be a top 10 team, but we got some good teams when they were down and jumped on them quick, and I think the pollsters have to justify themselves so they see the wins as monumental. I'm not saying Mizzou is not good or that Florida/Georgia are jokes, but that is a pretty quick jump--same for Auburn over A&M: 14 spots! I'd put Mizzou at 10-15 right now. Both the Georgia and Florida wins were still in doubt until late in the game. Mizzou stomped Florida on stats, but we couldn't get in the touchdown often--5 field goals. Until Mizzou's offense gels a little more with Mauk and their red zone production picks up, I'll view them as top 10-15. If they can pull off S.Carolina and Tennessee, I'll call them top 5!

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

@Chessmaster Uh, college football is not professional football.  If it were, it would be called professional football.

barfield.j
barfield.j

@mystafugeeYou can certainly tell who's teams got bumped down the list!  If it were the other way around (your team climbing the polls) all the attitude in these viewpoints would be less. . . astringent.  The polls are a work in progress and with 5 more weeks left, there's a lot of adjustments coming.  In my opinion there are several teams ranked 2-3 spots off, but as the season progresses positions will jockey.  In all fairness, the polls are relatively accurate, particularly as the regular season winds down.  We do need a playoff BUT There's no way we need a 32 team playoff.  Pac 12, SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC champions get automatic bids, the committee picks 5 more (and the whinin' goes on & on & on. . .) and we play till one's left.   

Wesley7
Wesley7

@jeffcooper71 Did you see the FSU game? I'm surprised they didn't steal more votes, from BOTH Alabama and Oregon.

AaronDunckel
AaronDunckel

@jeffcooper71 Oregon gave up 38 points to Washington State - while Florida state played the #3 team in the rankings and beat them 55-14.  Its as simple as that - and it makes sense.

barfield.j
barfield.j

@AaronDunckel Polls simply are not that inaccurate this late in the season.  It would be complete chaos w/o them!

barfield.j
barfield.j

@JaysonR1212Not so!!  LSU would most likely win head to head match-ups with every team below them in the polls.  Same goes for A&M, Auburn will be a 2 loss team, maybe even a 1 loss team, they have Alabama @ home (they do have a chance) and are steadily improving week after week.  You've heard it all before, but the SEC west is the toughest place to play in the nation right now, hence LSU & A&M's high marks.  Those of you outside the SEC hate it, tired of it, I know, but that's just how it is. 

Ted3
Ted3

@JaysonR1212 Anything that has to do with Georgia after the Tennessee game is moot. The shell of a team that was left after that game is just not the same as the one that started the season. Funny thing about Clemson ... who else would you put in the top 10? I'm blown away at the amount of parody we are seeing this season.

jeffcooper71
jeffcooper71

@JaysonR1212 You do realize teams can improve?  Yes Tennessee is not the best SEC school by far but they are not the same team that got crushed by Oregon a few weeks ago.  They continue to improve.

James C
James C

@AaronDunckel @Vinny Cordoba What's coming next year is not a playoff. It is a modified version of the current mess. 

A playoff is what the FCS, DII, and DIII schools use, as well as NAIA. They have a draw of 16-32 teams that play each week until they determine a champion. 


FBS football needs to go to a 24 or 32 team playoff system, like the other divisions do. 


My idea is this. 


32 teams. All conference champions of FBS conferences get in. The remaining teams are selected by a selection committee using criteria including strength of schedule (winning percentage and opponents winning percentage) and performance in the later half of the season. For example, if a team starts out 2-2, but plays Oregon and Alabama in the first 4 games, then runs the table the rest of the way, they should not be penalized severely for scheduling those two opponents and should still have a legit chance to make the post-season, unless the rest of the schedule was against sisters of the poor. 


Once the 32 teams are selected to the post-season, they are then seeded with a few seeding guidelines. No teams from the same conference may meet in the first round. Teams will be seeded 1-32 with the top seed hosting each game unless they are unable to do so. 


The playoff system will go as follows: 


Round 1 second weekend in December (conferences may need to back up schedules a week or 2). 

Round 2 the third  weekend in December. 


Round 3 New Years Day or New Years Weekend


Round 4 Weekend after New Years Day (minimum 7 days after)


Championship Game (4th weekend in January). 


Teams not qualifying for the post-season would still be allowed to participate in post-season Bowl Games (as is allowed at the dII level now). 



stiffasaward
stiffasaward

@AaronDunckel

Yes Oregon gave up 38 points as a team but did you watch the game?  Does it matter that O's 1st team D gave up 17? Does it matter that 14 of Wash St points came in the final 3:48? 

It helps if people would actually WATCH these games vs looking at the final score.

clu
clu

@barfield.j @AaronDunckel But they are inaccurate at the start of the season.  They shouldn't be done until most teams have played at least six games.

AaronDunckel
AaronDunckel

@Ted3 @JaysonR1212 agree  on the parody - but Clemson was clearly exposed and took a 40 point beating at home.  They deserve to be out of the top 10 regardless of who replaces them

AaronDunckel
AaronDunckel

@jeffcooper71 @JaysonR1212  they might improve - but you have to judge teams based on obvious common opponents.  Tennessee might do slightly better against Oregon - but ALL teams change as the year goes on. 

the Reality is that Oregon beat Tennessee by a ton, while Tenn hung tough with UGA and beat SCAR. 

Cool
Cool

@jeffcooper71 @JaysonR1212 They are still an unranked, 3 loss team.  You could argue that every school is "improved" after 6 games.

clu
clu

@barfield.j @stiffasaward He's absolutely right, that was a fourth or fifth team defense giving up those points.  If you can convince pollsters not to drop a team for running up the score, then we'll have it your way and leave the starters in until the end of the season for avoiding injury.

ScottBoyle
ScottBoyle

@stiffasaward @Wesley7 @jeffcooper71 Exactly. Wash St was playing against the Ducks' third team D and Oregon shut down its offense the entire 4th Q again. If the Ducks played starters the entire game the final would have been 90-24. 

stiffasaward
stiffasaward

@Wesley7 @jeffcooper71  

Yes Oregon gave up 38 points as a team but did you watch the game?  Does it matter that O's 1st team D gave up 17? Does it matter that 14 of Wash St points came in the final 3:48? 

It helps if people would actually WATCH these games vs looking at the final score.

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

@MarkCleary This diabolical plot to screw Miami does not seem to be working so well.  They are 7th in this poll and the BCS.   Your paranoia seems a bit misplaced.

olansuddeth
olansuddeth

@jeffcooper71 @AaronDunckel 'Bama won 52-0, while Oregon had their hands full.  If anybody was going to lose votes, it would be Oregon.  

Honestly, had FSU jumped them, I'm not sure they would have had a case to argue it.

Wesley7
Wesley7

@jeffcooper71

As David said, Alabama's game was 52-0 with incredible stats in Alabama's favor. Hard for voters to defect based on that. Oregon won, but allowed 38 points. Most Bama voters see Bama as the best team until proven otherwise as two-time defending champions. Many Oregon voters see them not as the best team, necessarily, but the most likely to be able to beat Alabama. Watching FSU, they revised that to FSU being the most likely to take down Alabama.

DavidandTracyAgee
DavidandTracyAgee

@RJC @AaronDunckel @jeffcooper71Bama had no penalties, no sacks, no points allowed and no turnovers in its victory.  There really would be no reason for a voter to drop them after that result.  However, FSU looked VERY impressive.

That said we don't know if any Alabama voters changed their votes or not.  We only know totals.  Oregon voters could have gone to Bama and Bama voters could have gone to FSU.  Secondly Alabama and Oregon have essentially the same SOS, 42 and 43.  Thirdly, Bama has beaten TAMU, VA Tech, and Ole Miss which were all ranked when Bama played them and 2 still are, Ole Miss is 27.  FSU only has the Clemson victory to point to unless someone really thinks highly of either Boston College or Pittsburgh.  

Hang on guys, This season is starting to get very interesting.



RJC
RJC

@AaronDunckel @jeffcooper71 FSU unproven? WHAT? The only team Alabama beat worth anything was A&M AND BARELY. FSU destroyed #3 Clemson... they should be ahead of Oregon and Alabama should have far less #1 votes.

AaronDunckel
AaronDunckel

@jeffcooper71 @AaronDunckel  most people voting for Alabama are going to be stuck there until they lose or have an awful game.  Oregon and FSU are still unproven commodities and thus as they have good or mediocre games the voters are going to swing back and forth between them

AaronDunckel
AaronDunckel

@Ted3 @AaronDunckel @JaysonR1212 much as Im not a fan - LSU losing a close game to Ole Miss is not nearly as bad as Clemson losing by 40 points at home.  I'd keep LSU there if I had to.  I'd rather leave it blank though LOL

Ted3
Ted3

@AaronDunckel @Ted3 @JaysonR1212 Seriously look at the guys after Clemson and tell me who else should be there. They were exposed, but everybody else after them has been also.

AaronDunckel
AaronDunckel

@jeffcooper71 @AaronDunckel @JaysonR1212  they may not have lost a game since, but who have they played?  You have to consider that all teams are going through the season and either getting better or worse, but if two teams play the same team,  and one destroys the common team while another loses to it - that there is a vast difference 


the oregon game wasn't even close... and the fact that Tenn almost beat UGA and did beat SCAR shows a distinct disconnect between the quality of the SEC's premier teams, and perception

jeffcooper71
jeffcooper71

@AaronDunckel @jeffcooper71 @JaysonR1212 No you do not. Virginia Tech was taken to the woodshed by Alabama the first game of the season.  They have not lost a game since.  

Some teams improve and some do not. UGA is a prime example. 5 injuries are why they are not still in the NC picture.