Posted October 13, 2013

AP Poll: Stanford, Oklahoma and Georgia fall in rankings after upset-heavy Week 7

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Stanford's loss to Utah dropped them from No. 5 to No. TK in the polls. (George Frey/Getty Images)

Stanford’s loss to Utah dropped the Cardinal from No. 5 to No. 13 in the latest AP Poll. (George Frey/Getty Images)

Week 7 in college football finally saw the bevy of ranked teams go down as we’re used to seeing in the middle of the season, and the AP Poll reflected the chaos.

Oklahoma, Georgia and Stanford’s losses caused them to plummet to 18, 15 and 13, respectively, and Missouri’s win over the Bulldogs moved the Tigers up 11 spots to No. 14, although it might be short-lived with starting quarterback James Franklin out six weeks with a separated shoulder. UCLA (9) and Miami (10) entered the top ten this week, and LSU and Texas A&M both moved up after conference victories.

The complete AP Poll (with first-place votes in parentheses) is below:

1. Alabama (55)
2. Oregon (5)
3. Clemson
4. Ohio State
5. Florida State
6. LSU
7. Texas A&M
8. Louisville
9. UCLA
10. Miami
11. South Carolina
12. Baylor
13. Stanford
14. Missouri
15. Georgia
16. Texas Tech
17. Fresno State
18. Oklahoma
19. Virginia Tech
20. Washington
21. Oklahoma State
22. Florida
23. Northern Illinois
24. Auburn
25. Wisconsin

Here are a few thoughts from this week’s results:

• Baylor was finally tested a bit against Kansas State, but with all the carnage ahead of the Bears in the polls, simply winning was all that mattered. Baylor moved up three spots to No. 12.

• Texas Tech is all the way up to No. 16 and is now 6-0 this year under Kliff Kingsbury with a 3-0 record in the Big 12. The Red Raiders have West Virginia next, and still have Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Baylor and Texas, so we’ll know soon just how for real they are.

• Virginia Tech’s defense continues to shine, and the Hokies are now at No. 19, up five spots from last week. The offense is borderline unwatchable at times, but that defense is one of the five best in the nation, and with a relatively easy ACC slate, the Hokies could challenge in the Coastal. A Nov. 9 date with No. 10 Miami is going to be big.

54 comments
mashley278
mashley278

whine whine whine about Georgia, but OOOPS...yeah, they have the toughest schedule in the nation

K-Jun
K-Jun

Oregon and Clemson should move ahead of Alabama based on strength of schedule. As far as SEC play Alabama has been given an almost free ride again this season. They play Kentucky and Tennessee while other SEC West teams play the likes of Georgia and Florida. Then the great Alabama has the nerve to schedule the likes of Georgia Southern that has won one game going back to last season. Saban should be ashamed of himself. 

JeffBockert
JeffBockert

Wow, only 5 people thought Oregon should be number one? What a joke. This system is terrible and we need a real playoff system. 

MarkCleary
MarkCleary

Takes until 4 pm for any links to the poll to show up on SI.com.  I wonder why.  Hmmmm.  Let's see.....

Oh, my!  Who's that at #10?

Amazed they finally linked to it at all.  SI, dedicated to beating Miami into the ground since 1995.

mobetta
mobetta

This poll is still a joke.  Alabama gets 55 first place votes, and Oregon only gets 5?   Guess we'll have to wait for the BCS Championship for Oregon to whup up on Alabama 55-5.  Wouldn't that be poetic, though????

Bart1
Bart1

So you've got Florida State twicely ranked, what's gonna happen when they meet Florida and get spanked?

No really, my boys will step it up and win out, then beat Alabammy in the  national title game (SEC Championship), then win that last game over Oregon.  Am I dreaming?  Ask Will.

mashley278
mashley278

@K-Jun  And you do know the SEC schedule is cyclical right? Alabama gets Florida again next year? Just like 2011? Are you going to cry for Bama then? 

mashley278
mashley278

@K-Jun So, I'm guessing Oregon's schedule (Nicholls, Tennessee, Virginia, UW, Cal, Colorado), and Clemson's (Georgia, South Carolina State, Wake Forest, Syracuse, and BC), top Alabama's (Virginia Tech, Texas A&M, Colorado State, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Georgia Southern)..with 3 ranked teams? Little background for you - the Georgia Southern game was for Bill Curry. Last year they play. Colorado State for Jim McElwain, last year they play. Either way you skipped all the facts.

donald5
donald5

@K-Jun Sorry Bud but I'd put Texas A&M Virginia Tech and Ole Miss up against Washington and.... and  wait.. hold on...I'm drawing a blank.  Oregon has played ONE good team you freaking moron!  Clemson played Georgia .... ONE RANKED TEAM..  Do you idiots even look at the schedule before spewing your ignorant drivel?

Choutsu
Choutsu

@K-Jun You sound like my mom when she tries to be cool and talk football with me. She has no idea what she is talking about. Oregon's win this week is their first win this season..AGAINST A TEAM WITH A WINNING RECORD. Think about that for a second ok. Their only other opponent that has gotten past .500 is Nicholls St. Alabama has beaten what is now looking like a really decent  #24 Virginia Tech team (6-1), a good #6 A&M (5-1), and a really decent top 20 at the time Ole Miss team (3-3). 

No doubt that Oregon and Clemson both look excellent thus far, but nobody who knows what and why is going to take you seriously when you say things like strength of schedule and it makes no sense. Right, Saban and Bama should be ashamed for scheduling these tough teams at the beginning of the season when your team is most vulnerable every year (2008 Clemson, 2009 Virginia Tech, 2010 Penn St, 2011 Penn St, 2012 Michigan, 2013 Virginia Tech, 2014 West Virginia, 2015 Wisconsin).

Wesley7
Wesley7

@K-Jun You make some very good points. Alabama signing a then Top 15 team in Virginia Tech to open the season on the road looks downright cowardly against Oregon's at home opener against Nicholls. And the way Alabama beat a #6 A&M on the road is nothing compared to the way Ohio State hung 76 on the board while shutting out the perennial powerhouse that is FAMU. And it amazes me that Baylor wasn't number one in the nation after playing four home games in a row against the likes of Wofford, Buffalo, and Louisiana-Monroe. And for sheer bravery and challenge, what could beat USC's thrilling season opener against 0-6 Hawaii? Even Ole Miss should be ashamed for picking on cupcake Texas on it's own field. How was that fair?

It's a good thing ONLY Alabama has a handful of cupcake games on their schedule. Otherwise you'd look like a fool for making statements like you do.


Also, you DO realize that the SEC plays cross-divisional games, like most conferences, on a rotation? Tennessee is a permanent cross-division rivalry, but don't forget they won the first BCS title. That they are down this year is dumb luck. It is the SEC and they could be back on top in a couple of years. And when they are, you won't hear Alabama whining about playing them every season. Heck, being the SEC, FOUR different teams won those last seven titles. You never know who will be good or not. Look a the East, last year's cupcake Missouri is 6-0 and leading the division! The SEC has EIGHT teams in the top 25. SEC teams constantly play ranked teams because they play one another. And may have gone on to win it if their QB didn't separate a shoulder last game. Alabama has played a top ten A&M and has a top ten LSU coming up. Ole Miss was ranked when Bama played them and it is looking like Auburn will be, too. And Tech is now a top 20 team with their only loss coming at the hands of Bama. If Bama goes all the way, the SEC East team will be ranked, as will the title game. That would be SEVEN teams ranked at the time of playing or subsequently out of 14 games. Half their schedule. It is NOT a cupcake schedule. Yes, there are a couple of easier teams in the mix, as there are on EVERYONE's schedule. The Bama hate just has your selective perception turned way up and it is sad.

DavidandTracyAgee
DavidandTracyAgee

@K-Jun Current Strength of Schedule rankings by Jeff Sagarin through Saturday's games:

*When mentioning Bama's schedule I note that you leave off TAMU, LSU and VATech  (all ranked) and also Auburn who is currently ranked 26th.  Also, GA Southern was done as a favor to a former coach of Alabama.  The money will help build that schools program (but yes it is a very easy win).  As for Oregon I am not familiar with Nichols.  Are they a college team? 

Alabama  36

Oregon  67

Clemson 57

Ryan13
Ryan13

@K-Jun  I agree. Alabama is overly glamorized. The reason they have had such an awesome winning streak is that they have one of the biggest push over schedules in college football period. They rarely, if ever, play a truly ranked team, generally their schedule puts them with maybe 2 games they have to show up for. How they can be number one all the time is a head scratch-er. Take Notre Dame for example (yes they are playing horribly this season compared to last year) they almost always play ranked teams, yet they get laughed at in the polls due to a "soft" schedule. Just getting to the number 1 spot last season was a punching match and even then Alabama was getting more credit. The ranking system is a sad and pathetic joke!

ROLL TIDE1
ROLL TIDE1

@K-Jun  what a joke....Clemson & Florida State would've been blown out of the stadium @ TEXAS A&M.  Both would also have  extreme difficulty with LSU as well.  Clemson beat LSU barely by 1point last year in a bowl game that LSU gave no effort because they had a dissapointing year and 11 underclassmen that were jumping to the NFL and didn't give a damn about that insignificant bowl game. The top of the SEC is superior to the top ACC teams every single year...not even a debate...better talent....better coaching.  LSU & Alabama are head and shoulders better than Clemson (who's overrated every single year).....ya struggling with a super power like Boston College haaaaaa.... FSU is going to be another college power very very soon behind Winston....but still a year away.    

Ya Clemson has such a mountain of a schedule

SC State 5-2, NC State 3-3, Wake Forest 3-3, Syracuse 3-3, BC 3-3, Maryland 5-2, Virginia 2-4, GT 3-3, The Citadel 2-5

15 GEORGIA, 5 FSU, 11 S.Carolina

where as Alabama has to play 6 LSU, 7 Texas A&M, 19 VA Tech, 24 Auburn...and either 11 S.Carolina, 14 Mizzou, or 15 UGA in the SEC championship....plus Tennessee & Ole Miss would smash those mediocre ACC teams on Clemson's schedule. You have absolutely no arguement on strength of schedule.....I would love to see Alabama play Clemson in the Natty....it would be quite similar to 42-14 last year against the Irish.

Wesley7
Wesley7

@JeffBockert Because 55 experts who live, breathe, and make a living at the game of football are wrong and online forum poster JeffBockert is right? The system is not perfect by any stretch, but when people trusted with voting are doing so 11-1 for Alabama, maybe...just maybe...they all see something there a little more in-depth than you do?

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

@MarkCleary The folks at SI take their time posting the AP ranking because of a vendetta against Miami?   Shame on me for thinking that you paranoid types could not come up with another reason to claim media bias.

donald5
donald5

@mobetta This is the first game Oregon won vs a team that has a winning record.  Got that???  1st win.  They beat Washington....  that is it.  Got anyone else on the schedule that looks impressive?  FCS team Nicholls? 2-4 Virginia?  3-3 Tennessee that hasn't won a game vs automatic qualifier conference team this year? The team that couldn't beat a Georgia team that was down their 1/2 backs and their 1/2/3 receivers?  1-5 Cal????  2-3 Colorado???    Oregon has beaten ONE good team.  

ROLL TIDE1
ROLL TIDE1

@mobetta If they did play....I would guarantee you Alabama would drop 40+ on that shitty Duck defense.  Controlling Mariota & D Thomas would be very difficult for the Tide, I do admit.  It would be an all time great...48-37 ROLL TIDE ROLL. 

HerschelAnderton
HerschelAnderton

@mobetta we'll just wait for oregon to choke in one of their final couple of games and not play in the natl championship.   given the airs put on by oregon fans year in and year out with ZERO championships,  that's always poetic

AnthonyJosephGomes
AnthonyJosephGomes

@Bart1 florida is a 2 time loser with 4 underwhelming wins under their belt. utah in the pac12 has two losses also. one to #9 UCLA by 7 and one to unrated oregon state by 3. they also just beat #5 stanford knocking them down to 13. both are 4-2 teams but utah has played as tough a schedule and theyre not even rated. florida/utah would be a good matchup.

Wesley7
Wesley7

@mashley278 

 Exactly. Oregon's "strength of schedule?" Really? Nicholls is 4-2, which at least is a winning record, but their defense is ranked 140th--literally 140th--in the nation. So big win? Virginia is now 2-4, Tennessee is 3-3, California is 1-5, and Colorado is 2-3. The only team on Oregon's schedule so far that has been ranked at ANY point this season is Washington, now #20 AP. Alabama has beaten #7 Texas A&M (5-1) and Virginia Tech (#19) as well as Ole Miss, who is not ranked any longer now due to a string of tough games, but were #25 when we played (I only mention because again, at least they did crack the rankings, something no one on Oregon's schedule has done at all other than Washington). 


So apparently, in K-Jun's world, beating the #20 team and a bunch of teams with mostly losing records and triple digit rankings is a tougher schedule than beating #7 and #19 and at least one other highly competent team. 


Maybe by end of the season we can compare notes, but at this point, Oregon's schedule has been a bigger joke than Alabama's, but you'll never hear the haters admit it because their hatred blinds them to rationality.

First1
First1

@Wesley7 @K-Jun Fair points, Wesley, but the "dumb luck" component could be mitigated by playing 9 conference games like others are doing or will do. 

Also, with so many teams ranked in the preseason, there aren't enough losses available to drop the teams out of the rankings when they start so high.  It's almost a mathematical certainty that with a weak OOC and high preseason rankings that a team will stay in the Top 20 for the season as long as they get one "upset" along the way.  And on top of that, you have pollsters who are ranking 1-loss SEC teams ahead of undefeated non-SEC teams.

Even if the conference is harder to get through, the pollsters more than make up for it with benefits that other conferences don't get. 

DavidandTracyAgee
DavidandTracyAgee

@Ryan13 @K-Jun Fail.  2012 Sagain SOS rankings at the end of the season.

Alabama 19

Notre Dame 21

Yes ND had a tough schedule.  Bama's was tougher.  

Choutsu
Choutsu

@Ryan13 @K-Jun You start with "Alabama is overly glamorized", then use Notre Dame as a counter?? My guess is they kicked you off of the debate team? What's wrong with you? Notre Dame was the butt end of a nation wide joke last season, but not before every Notre Dame homer (Lou Holtz, Regis Feldman) alive pronounced over and over again that they were back and untouchable. Talk about overhyped, I mean ashamed ND fans were crawling out of the woodworks, even though they squeaked by Pitt. Alabama is still ranked where they are because 1. When was the last time they squeaked by the likes of Pitt several times in one season, and 2. Alabama has beaten what is now looking like a really decent  #24 Virginia Tech team (6-1), a good #6 A&M (5-1), and a really decent top 20 at the time Ole Miss team (3-3), have LSU looming.

Wesley7
Wesley7

@Ryan13

Define "truly" ranked team?

Last season, Alabama was 5-1 against post-season Top 30 teams. Three of which were top 10, I believe. Notre Dame played fewer teams ranked in the top 30 at the end of the season than Alabama had. Yes, there are a few cupcakes games in there, amidst as many, if not more ranked teams than most other schedules in the country, especially if they go all the way and throw in the SEC and BCS title games. They often end the season having played 5-7 ranked teams. 

mashley278
mashley278

@JeffBockert @sportsGuy12 except...OSU is in the top 10 and they will not play a top ten opponent this year while Georgia gets: Clemson, LSU, Florida, Mizzou, and South Carolina. Nice try

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

@JeffBockert And as soon as a four or eight team playoff is implemented, you and the chronic complainers will find reason to whine about it.  Sixteen teams?  Complaints.  Get every team involved?   You guys will whine about the inequity of it all.   It's only football.  Maybe time to take it a bit less seriously.

HerschelAnderton
HerschelAnderton

@donald5 @JeffBockert it's not that your opinions are or aren't  shared by most people. most college /fans/ dislike the SEC and dog them any chance they get. so you're not part of some fringe fan base;  it's the fact that your opinion is ill-informed.  there's a big difference.  

MarkCleary
MarkCleary

@JoeCabot @MarkCleary So what is the actual reason?  And, in case you hadn't heard, it isn't paranoia when everyone is actually out to get you.  SI, I reiterate, has been out to get us since 1995.  Yahoo Sports jumped in two years ago.  People like you have piled on since.  

DavidandTracyAgee
DavidandTracyAgee

@AnthonyJosephGomes @Bart1 Pretty cool observations.  Good one I checked SOS and they are almost the same also;  Utah 9 - Florida 16.  Florida's losses were to Miami and LSU.  This would be a very interesting game to watch.

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

@JeffBockert And now you are simply guessing and attempting to pass it off as fact.   Please keep posting.   Some of this stuff has better entertainment value than the articles.

Wesley7
Wesley7

@First1

Because Wins and Losses aren't all that count. Or are saying that you honestly would have, after their first four games, placed Baylor--who played all four at home against teams like Wofford, Buffalo, and Louisiana Monroe ahead of a 1-loss Georgia who played THREE top-ten teams in their first four outings and their only loss was by three on the road to the now #3 team in the nation? I'm not saying there isn't some SEC inflation from time to time, but are you honestly saying all wins and all losses are totally equal and winning over the FAMUs and Nicholls and East Carolinas of the world should put you ahead of a team who did take a loss, but did it against a top-tier opponent on the road and made a contest of it? Would you say that if you were the #4 team in the nation and lost to the #5 team in the nation by 3 you should be dropped the same amount as if you were the #4 team in the nation and lost to the #89 ranked team in the nation by 20? That those two losses are equal? Or that winning over the #89 team in the nation at home by 20 is just as good--100% equivalent to--winning over the #5 team on the road by 3?

The quality of the teams played and conditions of the games DO--and SHOULD--affect rankings more than just purely the numerical W's and L's. Yes, there are some cupcakes on everyone's schedule (and yes the SEC is talking about going to a 9 game set), but the cupcake wins don't count as much in favor as the substantial wins do, while cupcake losses count much more than losses to ranked teams.

HerschelAnderton
HerschelAnderton

@First1 @Wesley7 @K-Jun this is not a rhetorical question; how many national championships IN A ROW do SEC schools need to win until at least one (out of that number) is legitimate to you and your ilk?

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

@MarkCleary Yes, paranoia.   At least back here in reality.   I am sure that you believe everything you type.  Doesn't make it true except to you and the rest of the delusional bunch.  For the rest of us it is simply amusing.