Posted August 12, 2013

Ex-NCAA official: Texas A&M should sit Johnny Manziel until investigation ends

Johnny Manziel, NCAA Investigations, Texas A&M Aggies
Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel

Johnny Manziel has dominated the headlines following allegations that he accepted money for autographs. (Getty)

By Zac Ellis

One former NCAA official thinks Texas A&M should sit Johnny Manziel until the NCAA’s ongoing investigation into his eligibility is complete.

Mark Jones, a former NCAA enforcement director, told the San Antonio Express-News that A&M should keep Manziel, who is under investigation for allegedly accepting money for autographs, on the sidelines to avoid having to vacate wins down the road.

“No one wants to play an athlete who’s later determined to be ineligible, especially such a high-profile player,” said Jones. “You don’t want to risk having to vacate those games later on.”

Reports surfaced last week linking Manziel to autograph brokers who claimed the quarterback accepted money in exchange for autographs on separate occasions. Last week, the Manziel family announced it would not comment on the ongoing NCAA investigation, but the family did hire an attorney with experience handling clients under fire from the NCAA. That attorney, Jim Darnell, predicted that Manziel would not miss any games because of the investigation.

Texas A&M has also hired a law firm, Lightfoot, Franklin & White, which previously represented Auburn amid allegations surrounding quarterback Cam Newton’s eligibility in 2010.

108 comments
mjhellund
mjhellund

Based upon past NCAA behavior, if a Georgia player had done this, or had had meetings with secret agent Jay Z, UGA would already be facing double secret probation. That is a fact.

Hook Em!
Hook Em!

Manziel had “six signings for three brokers in three states in less than a month.” Those numbers speak volumes. Even without proof of Manziel handling cash, he still could be found in violation of NCAA Bylaw 12.5.2.2. That bylaw requires a student-athlete to make every effort to stop the sale of products featuring his or her likeness."

Hook Em!
Hook Em!

If the NCAA finds that Manziel has violated Bylaw 12.5.2.1 -- accepting money for promoting or advertising the commercial sale of a product or service -- he could be ruled ineligible. Even without proof of Manziel handling cash, he still could be found in violation of NCAA Bylaw 12.5.2.2. That bylaw requires a student-athlete to make every effort to stop the sale of products featuring his or her likeness."
Johnny may be getting the wish he tweeted about. He may be leaving college station very soon.

JohnnyZ
JohnnyZ

I think at the end of the day, everyone praying he gets benched is going to be greatly disappointed.  Like his attorney says...there are lots of photos of him signing autographs, but not photos of him taking money.  That's the key people...NO PROOF THAT HE TOOK MONEY.   He can sign things all day and if the NCAA can't prove he accepted money, there is nothing they can do.  

Rumors are is that there is about to be an independent report released about the number of autographed items that have been put up for sale by college athletes and the numbers will be shocking. NCAA will have a complete mess on their hands. 

James C
James C

I posted below. Expect nothing to happen to Johnny football. He has two things going for him. None of these dealers want to talk to the NCAA and risk their business dealings and legal issues for paying current athletes for autographs. The other issue is the money trail. When your family has in the range of 50 million to hide in, it is very easy to hide a few 10's of thousands of dollars. 


If this was a poor black child from Detroit who signed autographs to pay his bills and his family's bills, the NCAA would be able to see right through everything and nail the kid for this violation. The fact Johnny's family has money makes this so much tougher. 

outlawnfl
outlawnfl

NCAA might get so pissed at Texas A&M that it'll take 30 scholarships away from UTSA.  Johnathan Manziel was paid; that much is obvious.  It'll be interesting to see how much those cherished values mean to A&M over the coming weeks.

Herb2
Herb2

The system has failed Johnny Manziel. 

TheZarrr
TheZarrr

By taking this money and thinking he can get away with it, looks like he'll have time to be a 21 year old college student - on the bench or kicked out of the program.

DSM
DSM

I wonder about his judgment and whether his coach is mentoring him--I recall him saying he took online classes, because he did not like the fuss made over him walking across campus. It seems that he loves the fuss made over him at bars. 


But how can the NCAA throw the book on him when Cam Newton was expelled from Florida for theft and then claimed not to know his father was seeking hundreds of thousands of dollars for him to transfer elsewhere?

Hook Em!
Hook Em!

Johnny’s father, Paul, says he’s afraid Johnny’s “going to blow one day, and when he does, it’ll be bad, real bad”.

~ Dallas Morning News

6marK6
6marK6

Will the NCAA enforce rules against a star on a large university? Doubt it, but those small schools better watch their backs, because the NCAA will find the need to flex on one of them.

KristianColasacco
KristianColasacco

I would like to know why none of these athletes ever get in trouble for tax fraud with the IRS. 

NeoSmith
NeoSmith

Someone, anyone, like an authority figure (?!), needs to sit this kid down and let him have a time out in a corner.  He is just getting out of control.  His talent on the field is not going to be enough to cover for his lack of maturity off the field.  Ryan Leaf, II.

mystafugee
mystafugee

Johnny better hope the IRS doesn't come calling like they did in the case of Pete Rose.  

ScottCompton
ScottCompton

A Prayer to the God of College Football: 

Coach Bryant, please make everyone leave Johnny Manziel alone! At least until Alabama gets to play A & M this next time! We know that you caused us  to lose last time to keep us humble and make us focus on being the great team that we truly are, but we promise to keep our heads together this time!

Thank you Coach Bryant! We do love you so!

ChrisBird
ChrisBird

Who the fudge asked you, Mark Jones?

BigJean
BigJean

That's the silliest idea I ever heard.  They may have to vacate some wins, but at least there will be some wins to vacate.  And they may not have to vacate them after the investigation.

Chipper_Trailer
Chipper_Trailer

How come its always some EX something, never anybody that matters.. nothing to see here..

Hook Em!
Hook Em!

@JohnnyZSpeaking of Johnny's attorney,"Darnell says he has no prior relationship with the Manziels. " But the attorney did say he looks forward to a lot of future cases representing their son.

JeffRobinson
JeffRobinson

@James C his family has $50 million?  Is that accurate?  If that's true and he was selling autographs then he's truly stupid.  What kind of idiot would sell autographs for a few thousand dollars when their family has $50 million?

Hook Em!
Hook Em!

@James CNothing tough about it at all.

If the NCAA finds that Manziel has violated Bylaw 12.5.2.1 -- accepting money for promoting or advertising the commercial sale of a product or service -- he could be ruled ineligible. Even without proof of Manziel handling cash, he still could be found in violation of NCAA Bylaw 12.5.2.2. That bylaw requires a student-athlete to make every effort to stop the sale of products featuring his or her likeness."
Johnny is getting his wish. He is leaving college station very soon.

6marK6
6marK6

@Herb2 Seems to me that he has exploited the system, for every penny's worth. He has done anything he wants, whenever he wants.

mystafugee
mystafugee

@DSM That might be true with Newton but ask AJ Green about what happened when he sold his jersey

BigJean
BigJean

@6marK6 You may be right.  The NCAA is so screwed up it's impossible to tell what they'll do.  

OwG
OwG

@6marK6 

I think thats likely to happen. Some kid at South Alabama A&T or something is going to get destroyed for accepting a stick of bubble gum from the son of a booster. Suspending a white superstar football player like Manziel in Texas would probably cause some political blowback for the NCAA and A&M, as well. 


Rickapolis
Rickapolis

@KristianColasacco Great question. If they can't catch him breaking the rules (assuming he did, of course) they may prove he got money from somewhere that's unreported. Johnny Entitlement wouldn't be the first guy caught that way.

jeebs
jeebs

@NeoSmith  Exactly. It used to be called "parenting" but it's pretty clear this little Johnny probably got whatever he wanted since day one. He's still a kid for cying out loud and still no parents.

JosephLoudon
JosephLoudon

@NeoSmith And unlike Leaf, there aren't a lot of NFL scouts looking at Johnny and thinking he's got great size, arm strength, etc. 

Hook Em!
Hook Em!

@ScottCompton

In all fairness, bammer had their chance at him last year at home. How did that work out for them?
Oh yeah, he was the 1st freshman to ever win a Heisman.

RichLGerhold
RichLGerhold

@ScottCompton I think a few million OSU residents would argue that the God of CFB is Woody, not Bryant.  

John52
John52

@ScottCompton Amen.  Please let him play.  I don't want to hear, 'If Johnny would have played, things would have been different.'

Ray1950
Ray1950

@ChrisBird Apparently, the San Antonio Express-News asked him.  He answered them.  Up to speed now?

JosephLoudon
JosephLoudon

@BigJean Or, like USC, A&M could get hit hard by the NCAA, screwing over kids still in high school who'll be playing for the Aggies in the future.

DSM
DSM

@mystafugee @DSM Very true and all the more reason to be outraged by Cam's free pass. Of course, Hall of Fame coach and congressman Tom Osborne thought it was ok to keep players who assaulted women on his team.

Hook Em!
Hook Em!

@jeebs @Hook Em! As you know, we all technically have fathers. The unusual aspect of his case is that he actually knows his father.

DSM
DSM

@crimsonmastodon @KristianColasacco I recall a case where professional athletes were punished for not reporting signing show income.  In general, celebrities of all sorts get away with lots of nonreported taxable income--the "swag bags" given out at the Oscars are said to be worth tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars and lots of them get enormous amounts of free jewelry; fashion; tickets; cars; etc--and none of it either inexpensive or reported to the IRS.

ScottCompton
ScottCompton

You are right! Sounds like the consensus is that he doesn't want to play us again so he committed career suicide. And it sounds like his fans have decided he shouldn't play! Of course Colt never got to play a whole game against us so what have I heard since? Longhorns woulda won IF Colt had played. I promise you we don't play IFS. The game is scheduled. In all fairness, don't you think we should play? Not really up to me and you is it?

Hook Em!
Hook Em!

@JosephLoudon @BigJean That would be the high school kids bad choice to go there knowing of the sanctions...so it really could never "screw over high school kids".

DSM
DSM

@Hook Em! @DSM @crimsonmastodon @KristianColasacco Although I am obviously not privy to their tax returns, the tax avoidance I referred to has been widely reported in the media.

I do not suffer from "class envy" because I in the highest tax bracket and thus in their "class." Nor do I need to "earn or have more" as I have been fortunate enough to amass a large amount of wealth, without violating the letter or spirit of the law laws.

However, not everyone can get rich or even much richer through simplistic solutions such as "work smarter and harder"--for example, how many rich soldiers, nurses, cancer researchers and teachers do you know? Or do you not think they work smart and hard?

Hook Em!
Hook Em!

@DSM @Hook Em! @crimsonmastodon @KristianColasacco  

Are you privy/aware of these individuals tax returns and what claims/deductions they present to the IRS? At some point class envy just becomes a distraction. 

Want to earn more and have more? Work smarter and harder and take advantage of all a capitalistic society such as ours allows.

DSM
DSM

@Hook Em! @DSM @crimsonmastodon @KristianColasacco  

Simple fairness--tax compliance should be a level playing field--if I give my support staff a bonus and/or doubletime pay for working on a holiday, that is reported to the IRS and taxed; my examples dealt with very wealthy people receiving large amounts of cash or equivalents--why should they not pay tax?

ScottCompton
ScottCompton

Amen and Amen! Can't you just see heaven now!? Coach Bryant walking around keeping an eye on poor Woody. Keeping him away from the Clemson defense!